Podcast Episodes

March 13, 2025

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In this episode, Wendy speaks with action researcher, changemaker, and thought leader Otto Scharmer. Otto is a world leader in systems change, and his work across disciplines highlights how awareness and the quality of our relationships are critical for the change we need today. This conversation covers many topics, including:

• regenerative farming, social change movements, and the “social soil”;
• inspiration from Francisco Varela;
• presencing and the role of awareness in systems change;
• three divides that contribute to our current crises;
• the untold story of regeneration and renewal;
• action learning and action research;
• trends towards goodwill and lack of agency;
• institutions vs. individuals;
• the blind spot of the mindfulness movement;
• speaking and listening across ideologies;
• non-doing, action vs. reaction;
• the need for holding spaces and building trust;
• leading by letting go and letting come;
• releasing old ways of thinking (ego) and shifting to more integrated mindsets (eco);
• sensing and engaging with future possibilities;
• fourth-person awareness;
• the influence of Mind & Life on his career trajectory;
• and resources for learning consciousness-based transformation.

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February 20, 2025

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In this episode, Wendy speaks with pathologist, scientist, author, and Zen Buddhist, Neil Theise. Neil’s pioneering work in human anatomy has revolutionized our understanding of interconnectedness at the level of the body and beyond. This conversation covers many topics, including:

• his interest in medicine & Buddhism;
• pathology as contemplative practice;
• how a mystery from the wall of the bile duct led to a new understanding of our bodies;
• overview of the interstitium;
• how the interstitium may relate to fascia, energy systems, chakras, meridians, and other traditional systems of healing;
• connecting healing traditions through a cultural interstitium;
• a meditation to visualize the interstitium;
• studying living vs. dead tissue;
• cell doctrine and reductionism;
• complexity theory and interconnectedness at all scales;
• Buddhist ideas of emptiness, interdependence, impermanence;
• randomness in a complex system and adaptability;
• and the power of an interconnected view.

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January 16, 2025

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In this episode, Wendy speaks with psychologist and cognitive scientist Molly Crockett. Molly is a leader in studying moral cognition, with an emphasis on ethics, knowledge, and power in the digital age. This conversation covers many topics, including:

• the limits of quantitative (scientific) ways of knowing;
• the importance of narrative in shaping ideas and behavior;
• moral outrage on social media;
• who benefits from a culture of outrage;
• the role of scientists in our narratives about human nature;
• how artificial intelligence influences what we consider as human;
• using artificial intelligence for compassion;
• a Dalai Lama chatbot vs. the real Dalai Lama;
• the importance of embodiment in human communication;
• studying transformative experiences at Burning Man;
• technology and “Paleolithic” emotions;
• epistemic injustice;
• and the critical importance of valuing multiple ways of knowing.

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December 12, 2024

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In this episode, Wendy speaks with psychologist and affective neuroscientist Jim Coan. Jim is a leading researcher on how social connection impacts our minds, brains, and bodies, and he’s also pushing the boundaries of impactful science communication. This conversation covers many topics, including:

• studying relationships and emotions in the brain;
• how a confusing research finding changed his career;
• how holding hands impacts our bodies and minds;
• understanding energy regulation and prediction;
• social baseline theory;
• the prefrontal cortex and self-regulation;
• implications for the default mode network;
• social support as energetic resources for the body;
• effects of hand holding on pain processing;
• introversion and social support;
• the two things all his students must memorize;
• the costs and benefits of social interactions;
• implications for loss of relationship;
• sense of self, belonging, and the importance of supporting others;
• communicating science through comics;
• and surviving—even flourishing—through climate change.

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November 14, 2024

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In this episode, Wendy speaks with psychiatrist and mental health researcher Chuck Raison. Chuck’s work centers on understanding how ancient practices can change our conscious experience. He’s a leader in studying the links between inflammation, stress, and depression, and how meditation and other practices can influence those dynamics. This conversation covers many topics, including:

• ancient practices and conscious experience;
• Tibetan tummo practice;
• the role of inflammation in depression;
• sickness behavior;
• links between stress and inflammation;
• the placebo response;
• psychedelics as a novel treatment for depression;
• investigating the role of memory in transcendent experiences;
• body temperature and emotions;
• and the precious gift of awareness.

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