Mind & Life Podcast

Theory U: Guiding Awareness-based Systems Change – Katrin Kaeufer, Martin Kalungu-Banda, and Megan Seneque

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May 22, 2026

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In this panel conversation, guest host Jamie Bristow is joined by Katrin Kaufer, Martin Kalungu-Banda and Megan Seneque to explore Theory U and the wider field of awareness-based systems change. Developed through the Presencing Institute, Theory U is one of the most widely applied approaches to systems change that explicitly integrates contemplative practice with collective transformation. Together, they examine how this work helps people move beyond habitual responses, deepen the quality of attention and relationship, and create the conditions for new futures to emerge. The conversation ranges from leadership and social innovation to public health, higher education, research, and global systems work, while also asking harder questions about evidence, integrity, access, and scale. The result is a rich and searching exploration of what it means to work with complexity in ways that are rigorous, relational, and open to emergence. 

Jamie Bristow
  • Dr. Katrin Kaufer, is co-founding member and managing director of the Presencing Institute. She is also director of the Just Money program at MIT’s Community Innovation Lab, CoLab, where she also teaches. 
  • Martin Kalungu-Banda, is a leadership and organizational development practitioner who works across business, government, and civil society. He’s visiting fellow at Oxford Said Business School, a core faculty member with the Presencing Institute and co-founder of the Ubuntu Lab Institute, bringing a strong practice lens on adaptive leadership and systems change. 
  • Dr. Megan Seneque, is an associate with the Presencing Institute and a member of the editorial team with the Journal of Awareness-Based Systems Change hosted by the Presencing Institute. She is also a research associate at the University of Roehampton in London, an honorary fellow with the Crawford School of Public Policy at the Australian National University.

Jamie Bristow is a writer linking inner and outer transformation, and a policy advisor on the application of inner development and contemplative practices in public life. His work includes influential reports such as Reconnection: Meeting the Climate Crisis Inside Out and The System Within: Addressing the inner dimension of sustainability and systems transformation. From 2015 to 2023, Jamie played an instrumental role in the UK’s All-Party Parliamentary Group on Mindfulness, acting as its clerk and serving as Director of the associated policy institute, The Mindfulness Initiative. During this time he worked with legislators around the world to make mindfulness and compassion training serious matters of public policy and catalysts for a healthier political process. Jamie’s earlier roles included being the Business Development Director at Headspace, and his background encompasses psychology, climate change campaigning, and advertising. He is a committed Insight Meditation practitioner and is training to teach.

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